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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
		<link>http://blackandmarriedwithkids.com/2008/12/17/marriage-aint-for-ring-bearers-and-flower-girls-its-for-grown-folks/comment-page-1#comment-21004</link>
		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ForTheMoment,

I wish I would have been able to read your comment before.  I didn&#039;t realize you&#039;d left a comment, so my apologies for not getting back sooner.  I just want to request that you please take the time to read through my whole response before getting back with me.

Your choice of language pretty much made my point for me.  Since when is life fair?  It&#039;s not fair that men have sperm and women have to be pregnant 9 months and then get busted wide open to have a baby.  LIFE AIN&#039;T FAIR.  

Divorce isn&#039;t fair, either, but Christ gave a stipulation that made it possible because people&#039;s hearts were hard. 

Why can&#039;t a woman have a chaste man?  Why is it OK for a man to sow his &quot;wild oats,&quot; but if a woman does the same, she&#039;s labeled a whore?  Why can&#039;t our common denominator be abstinence and celibacy prior to marriage.  If that was the culture, we woudln&#039;t even be having this discussion.

It&#039;s also not a choice if a woman has to pay what they now call &quot;manimony&quot; and child support, because if they don&#039;t, they&#039;ll go to jail as well.

I mean, there&#039;s a double standard any way you shake it, so when is someone going to take the high ground? 

As far as Christianity is concerned, one thing Christ will not usurp is the gift He gave man to make his own choices.  I&#039;m not talking about religion here.  I&#039;m talking about the Spirit of Christ.  

 I guess I don&#039;t understand what you&#039;re so upset about.  This article was designed to help married couples resolve their isues in a mature manner.  Your entire comment was regarding separation, dysfunction and divorce.  

Whatever you&#039;re going through or have gone through, please trust and believe that not every woman shares the same mindset that you outlined in your commentary.  Every woman is not manipulative, conniving and dishonest.  

If you feel emasculated--and please pardon my candor, but I really don&#039;t know any other way to put it--repossess your testicles from whomever you gave them to and start living again.  Christ didn&#039;t die for you to spend your life embittered over your broken heart or the argumentative nature of your past (or current) relationship.  He came that you might have life adn that more abundantly!

LIVE! Don&#039;t let rigor mortis settle into your heart that was designed to love, nurture and protect a woman.  It will slowly kill you if you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ForTheMoment,</p>
<p>I wish I would have been able to read your comment before.  I didn&#8217;t realize you&#8217;d left a comment, so my apologies for not getting back sooner.  I just want to request that you please take the time to read through my whole response before getting back with me.</p>
<p>Your choice of language pretty much made my point for me.  Since when is life fair?  It&#8217;s not fair that men have sperm and women have to be pregnant 9 months and then get busted wide open to have a baby.  LIFE AIN&#8217;T FAIR.  </p>
<p>Divorce isn&#8217;t fair, either, but Christ gave a stipulation that made it possible because people&#8217;s hearts were hard. </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t a woman have a chaste man?  Why is it OK for a man to sow his &#8220;wild oats,&#8221; but if a woman does the same, she&#8217;s labeled a whore?  Why can&#8217;t our common denominator be abstinence and celibacy prior to marriage.  If that was the culture, we woudln&#8217;t even be having this discussion.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also not a choice if a woman has to pay what they now call &#8220;manimony&#8221; and child support, because if they don&#8217;t, they&#8217;ll go to jail as well.</p>
<p>I mean, there&#8217;s a double standard any way you shake it, so when is someone going to take the high ground? </p>
<p>As far as Christianity is concerned, one thing Christ will not usurp is the gift He gave man to make his own choices.  I&#8217;m not talking about religion here.  I&#8217;m talking about the Spirit of Christ.  </p>
<p> I guess I don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re so upset about.  This article was designed to help married couples resolve their isues in a mature manner.  Your entire comment was regarding separation, dysfunction and divorce.  </p>
<p>Whatever you&#8217;re going through or have gone through, please trust and believe that not every woman shares the same mindset that you outlined in your commentary.  Every woman is not manipulative, conniving and dishonest.  </p>
<p>If you feel emasculated&#8211;and please pardon my candor, but I really don&#8217;t know any other way to put it&#8211;repossess your testicles from whomever you gave them to and start living again.  Christ didn&#8217;t die for you to spend your life embittered over your broken heart or the argumentative nature of your past (or current) relationship.  He came that you might have life adn that more abundantly!</p>
<p>LIVE! Don&#8217;t let rigor mortis settle into your heart that was designed to love, nurture and protect a woman.  It will slowly kill you if you do.</p>
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		<title>By: ForTheMoment</title>
		<link>http://blackandmarriedwithkids.com/2008/12/17/marriage-aint-for-ring-bearers-and-flower-girls-its-for-grown-folks/comment-page-1#comment-19918</link>
		<dc:creator>ForTheMoment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Harriet:

But I bet it&#039;s not a choice for a man to have to pay alimony/child support/divorce (because if he doesn&#039;t he goes to jail). How fair is it that women get a choice to be submissive or dominant (chaste or not), when those things are clearly stated in the Christian religion? Why can&#039;t a man have an honest and chaste woman (lieing about their &quot;number&quot;)? Why are they always so ashamed/embarrassed of their past? If you&#039;re ashamed of your past, then that&#039;s a sign you shouldn&#039;t have been doing it and that it&#039;s wrong. Why do men have to just take in all of woman&#039;s bull or else face consequences, but a woman does not have to take any from a man (she can just say she&#039;s bored or cheat or have babies by different men and she won&#039;t be held accountable for it, since she can just say &quot;irreconcilable difference&quot;)? NOT FAIR!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Harriet:</p>
<p>But I bet it&#8217;s not a choice for a man to have to pay alimony/child support/divorce (because if he doesn&#8217;t he goes to jail). How fair is it that women get a choice to be submissive or dominant (chaste or not), when those things are clearly stated in the Christian religion? Why can&#8217;t a man have an honest and chaste woman (lieing about their &#8220;number&#8221;)? Why are they always so ashamed/embarrassed of their past? If you&#8217;re ashamed of your past, then that&#8217;s a sign you shouldn&#8217;t have been doing it and that it&#8217;s wrong. Why do men have to just take in all of woman&#8217;s bull or else face consequences, but a woman does not have to take any from a man (she can just say she&#8217;s bored or cheat or have babies by different men and she won&#8217;t be held accountable for it, since she can just say &#8220;irreconcilable difference&#8221;)? NOT FAIR!</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FortheMoment,

I wasn&#039;t trying to assert that a man is not supposed to be the head of the household.  The point I was trying to make is that it doesn&#039;t do a disagreement any good for a man to tell a woman what she already knows in a Christian marriage.  There&#039;s a huge difference between MINISTERING the Word of God and just THROWING it at someone as a weapon.  Sometimes Christians confuse when we&#039;re supposed to use the Word as a weapon and when we&#039;re supposed to use it as water to cleanse and rejuvenate.

As far as submission is concerned, it does not come through intimidation and control.  It comes through loving a woman strongly enough that she would WANT to submit.  It&#039;s a choice for a woman, just like serving Christ is a choice for every individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FortheMoment,</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t trying to assert that a man is not supposed to be the head of the household.  The point I was trying to make is that it doesn&#8217;t do a disagreement any good for a man to tell a woman what she already knows in a Christian marriage.  There&#8217;s a huge difference between MINISTERING the Word of God and just THROWING it at someone as a weapon.  Sometimes Christians confuse when we&#8217;re supposed to use the Word as a weapon and when we&#8217;re supposed to use it as water to cleanse and rejuvenate.</p>
<p>As far as submission is concerned, it does not come through intimidation and control.  It comes through loving a woman strongly enough that she would WANT to submit.  It&#8217;s a choice for a woman, just like serving Christ is a choice for every individual.</p>
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		<title>By: ForTheMoment</title>
		<link>http://blackandmarriedwithkids.com/2008/12/17/marriage-aint-for-ring-bearers-and-flower-girls-its-for-grown-folks/comment-page-1#comment-19497</link>
		<dc:creator>ForTheMoment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you’re a Christian couple–take a deep breath–you assert that you are the HEAD, and that your wife/flower girl is supposed to submit, cuz that’s what the Bible says.&quot;

Social order calls for a wife to be submissive. Now I&#039;m not saying if a husband gets out of line to just let it slide, but don&#039;t talk over or ignore him because that can be emasculating. We want to marry feminine women, not masculine ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’re a Christian couple–take a deep breath–you assert that you are the HEAD, and that your wife/flower girl is supposed to submit, cuz that’s what the Bible says.&#8221;</p>
<p>Social order calls for a wife to be submissive. Now I&#8217;m not saying if a husband gets out of line to just let it slide, but don&#8217;t talk over or ignore him because that can be emasculating. We want to marry feminine women, not masculine ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, LJ...I&#039;m glad you made it through those years!  I hate to admit that I &quot;get it&quot; a little too well at times, but the journey is definitely worth it.  :o)  Welcome to the site, and God bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, LJ&#8230;I&#8217;m glad you made it through those years!  I hate to admit that I &#8220;get it&#8221; a little too well at times, but the journey is definitely worth it.  <img src='http://blackandmarriedwithkids.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )  Welcome to the site, and God bless!</p>
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		<title>By: L. J. Miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. J. Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw the title of this post...I immediately &quot;got it&quot;. As an early 30 something female, that was married at the age of 18, I can relate to this oh too well. I&#039;m glad to know that someone else &quot;gets it&quot;. 

Peace &amp; blessings,

L. J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw the title of this post&#8230;I immediately &#8220;got it&#8221;. As an early 30 something female, that was married at the age of 18, I can relate to this oh too well. I&#8217;m glad to know that someone else &#8220;gets it&#8221;. </p>
<p>Peace &amp; blessings,</p>
<p>L. J.</p>
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		<title>By: What's My Motivation? &#124; Black And Married With Kids</title>
		<link>http://blackandmarriedwithkids.com/2008/12/17/marriage-aint-for-ring-bearers-and-flower-girls-its-for-grown-folks/comment-page-1#comment-14611</link>
		<dc:creator>What's My Motivation? &#124; Black And Married With Kids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of my articles like &#8220;Back to Life: Surviving the Lost Identity Syndrome,&#8221; and &#8220;Marriage Ain&#8217;t for Ring Bearers and Flower Girls: It&#8217;s For Grown Folks!&#8221; came from this balanced place. This place was relieved that those torrential seasons in my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of my articles like &#8220;Back to Life: Surviving the Lost Identity Syndrome,&#8221; and &#8220;Marriage Ain&#8217;t for Ring Bearers and Flower Girls: It&#8217;s For Grown Folks!&#8221; came from this balanced place. This place was relieved that those torrential seasons in my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
		<link>http://blackandmarriedwithkids.com/2008/12/17/marriage-aint-for-ring-bearers-and-flower-girls-its-for-grown-folks/comment-page-1#comment-9934</link>
		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Christina,

Yeah, the housework thing has definitely been a bone of contention in our home.  I&#039;ve learned to laugh at things and take them with stride, but I can&#039;t stand how cluttered our house is.  However, I&#039;m not about to wear myself out going to work all day, coming home, cooking, taking care of our son, cleaning...something has got to give.  I&#039;m all about sharing the load, so whenever my husband decides to do so, then our home will be neater.  In the meantime, we just ain&#039;t having company!  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Christina,</p>
<p>Yeah, the housework thing has definitely been a bone of contention in our home.  I&#8217;ve learned to laugh at things and take them with stride, but I can&#8217;t stand how cluttered our house is.  However, I&#8217;m not about to wear myself out going to work all day, coming home, cooking, taking care of our son, cleaning&#8230;something has got to give.  I&#8217;m all about sharing the load, so whenever my husband decides to do so, then our home will be neater.  In the meantime, we just ain&#8217;t having company!  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Harriet,
This is great stuff. This article makes you want to take &quot;Am I behaving like a flower girl test&quot;. I allow this little girl to surface every so often. Let&#039;s say the whole thing about tending to his clothes. I was raise to be a wife and how to enjoy being just that. A wife is grace to do certain things AND TO CARRY HERSELF a certain way. When you love someone unconditionally you will not find it a chore to maintain your castle but you find pleasure in doing so. And yes sometimes our husbands can make the way you take care of your castle seems like a task than a joy. For example, when I first married my husband he had to have his clothes folded a certain way. O, how he complain about how I washed his clothes. So one day the flower girl came out. What was once a joy to take care of his clothes became a feeling of not being appreciated that they got washed, dried, folded and hung. His clothes began to pile up and when he had time to wash them for his self they never got folded; and if they got folded they stayed there-never put away. Yes I know I work shorter hours and I could do this for him, but what comes easy for me isn&#039;t for him(he&#039;s not grace to do what brings me joy) Ater wacthing this go on for some time I decided to get rid of the flower girl, grow up and do my husband&#039;s laundry. All though I do not take time to fold them a certain way he appreciates my folding them now. Besides the mess and odor is impossible to live around in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Harriet,<br />
This is great stuff. This article makes you want to take &#8220;Am I behaving like a flower girl test&#8221;. I allow this little girl to surface every so often. Let&#8217;s say the whole thing about tending to his clothes. I was raise to be a wife and how to enjoy being just that. A wife is grace to do certain things AND TO CARRY HERSELF a certain way. When you love someone unconditionally you will not find it a chore to maintain your castle but you find pleasure in doing so. And yes sometimes our husbands can make the way you take care of your castle seems like a task than a joy. For example, when I first married my husband he had to have his clothes folded a certain way. O, how he complain about how I washed his clothes. So one day the flower girl came out. What was once a joy to take care of his clothes became a feeling of not being appreciated that they got washed, dried, folded and hung. His clothes began to pile up and when he had time to wash them for his self they never got folded; and if they got folded they stayed there-never put away. Yes I know I work shorter hours and I could do this for him, but what comes easy for me isn&#8217;t for him(he&#8217;s not grace to do what brings me joy) Ater wacthing this go on for some time I decided to get rid of the flower girl, grow up and do my husband&#8217;s laundry. All though I do not take time to fold them a certain way he appreciates my folding them now. Besides the mess and odor is impossible to live around in.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
		<link>http://blackandmarriedwithkids.com/2008/12/17/marriage-aint-for-ring-bearers-and-flower-girls-its-for-grown-folks/comment-page-1#comment-8358</link>
		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i mean expert, not ezpert.  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i mean expert, not ezpert.  LOL</p>
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