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	<title>Comments on: Jonesi&#8217;s Journey: From Girlfriend To Fiancé – The Transition Of a Lifetime!</title>
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		<title>By: MarriedWoman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad that you mentioned marital prep, like counseling.  I highly encourage pre-marital EDUCATION, which is different from counseling.  It is highly informative, but often less of a microscope on your particular issues, and deals with general indicators of marital success and failure.

I&#039;m glad that the author is please with her minister and the counseling that they are providing, but I know TOO many people whose marriages have fallen apart because most ministers are not accredited counseling professionals and are not adequately prepared to handle the various issues that couples face.  I ALWAYS recommend using a professional, which can certainly complement religious counseling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that you mentioned marital prep, like counseling.  I highly encourage pre-marital EDUCATION, which is different from counseling.  It is highly informative, but often less of a microscope on your particular issues, and deals with general indicators of marital success and failure.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that the author is please with her minister and the counseling that they are providing, but I know TOO many people whose marriages have fallen apart because most ministers are not accredited counseling professionals and are not adequately prepared to handle the various issues that couples face.  I ALWAYS recommend using a professional, which can certainly complement religious counseling.</p>
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		<title>By: Test</title>
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		<dc:creator>Test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p&gt;OK, I just read Luke 14:20, and I see where the teacher was coming from.  He or she was probably using that scripture to outline the fact, like you said, Danielle, that being a WOMAN and being a WIFE are two totally different things.
Take, for example, someone like Jezebel:  uncompromising, manipulative, conniving and all things opposite Christ.  Then take a person like Ruth, who was humble, courageous, bold and willing to go through transition.  One married a king and was killed.  The other married a Boaz and created a line of kings, from David all the way to Jesus.
The largest difference was in their attitudes towards their husbands (or fiances).  Jezebal lied to get what she wanted, and surrounded herself with people who would tell her she was doing right all the time, when clearly she was doing wrong.  Ruth, on the other hand, listened to wise counsel, kept doing what she&#8217;d always done, and had the attitude of a wife prior to getting married.
So I agree with Danielle&#8230;every woman getting married these days isn&#8217;t a WIFE.  There will be women who build their houses up with one hand and tear them down with the other.  There will be adulterers, and manipulative, prideful heifers.  LOL  But clearly the choice lies within the woman.  Will you become a woman after God&#8217;s own heart, thus causing the heart of your husband to trust in you?  Or will you push that man to the corner of a rooftop, willing to do anything to get away from you?
&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Harriets last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://harriet-canshesaythat.blogspot.com/2009/07/aftermath_16.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aftermath&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p&gt;OK, I just read Luke 14:20, and I see where the teacher was coming from.  He or she was probably using that scripture to outline the fact, like you said, Danielle, that being a WOMAN and being a WIFE are two totally different things.<br />
Take, for example, someone like Jezebel:  uncompromising, manipulative, conniving and all things opposite Christ.  Then take a person like Ruth, who was humble, courageous, bold and willing to go through transition.  One married a king and was killed.  The other married a Boaz and created a line of kings, from David all the way to Jesus.<br />
The largest difference was in their attitudes towards their husbands (or fiances).  Jezebal lied to get what she wanted, and surrounded herself with people who would tell her she was doing right all the time, when clearly she was doing wrong.  Ruth, on the other hand, listened to wise counsel, kept doing what she&#8217;d always done, and had the attitude of a wife prior to getting married.<br />
So I agree with Danielle&#8230;every woman getting married these days isn&#8217;t a WIFE.  There will be women who build their houses up with one hand and tear them down with the other.  There will be adulterers, and manipulative, prideful heifers.  LOL  But clearly the choice lies within the woman.  Will you become a woman after God&#8217;s own heart, thus causing the heart of your husband to trust in you?  Or will you push that man to the corner of a rooftop, willing to do anything to get away from you?<br />
<abbr><em>Harriets last blog post..<a href="http://harriet-canshesaythat.blogspot.com/2009/07/aftermath_16.html" rel="nofollow">Aftermath</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Teems</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that we are going through similar motions. I don&#039;t feel so crazy. I never thought about weddings until I got engaged. My planning experience hasn&#039;t been fun and my excitement never lasts longer than a day. There have been many days were I go without even thinking about planning the wedding. I have allowed people to make this such a difficult process for me. I have had to conditions myself for family pettiness, ending friendships, and kicking people out of the wedding for inconsideration. My fiance keeps reminding me its about us and that I don&#039;t have to worry about anyone else but him and the pastor being there.

I have had some real heartbreaks throughout this process but what I have learned about people and my relationships with them have been invaluable. I haven&#039;t sought counseling yet but we have looked to it. But my fiance has a really hard work schedule right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that we are going through similar motions. I don&#8217;t feel so crazy. I never thought about weddings until I got engaged. My planning experience hasn&#8217;t been fun and my excitement never lasts longer than a day. There have been many days were I go without even thinking about planning the wedding. I have allowed people to make this such a difficult process for me. I have had to conditions myself for family pettiness, ending friendships, and kicking people out of the wedding for inconsideration. My fiance keeps reminding me its about us and that I don&#8217;t have to worry about anyone else but him and the pastor being there.</p>
<p>I have had some real heartbreaks throughout this process but what I have learned about people and my relationships with them have been invaluable. I haven&#8217;t sought counseling yet but we have looked to it. But my fiance has a really hard work schedule right now.</p>
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		<title>By: LaNeitria</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaNeitria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! I love discussions like this! That&#039;s a great point that Danielle made. I&#039;m going to take a look at this myself. I am not anywhere close to being married, but it is something that I desire and am actively evaluating myself to see if I have what it takes to endure and be long suffering with someone. You all are a real inspiration to me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! I love discussions like this! That&#8217;s a great point that Danielle made. I&#8217;m going to take a look at this myself. I am not anywhere close to being married, but it is something that I desire and am actively evaluating myself to see if I have what it takes to endure and be long suffering with someone. You all are a real inspiration to me!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonesi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my....I have GOT to find that Creflo Dollar video footage...like I said, I stumbled upon it but he talks EXACTLY of what Harriet and Danielle are speaking of. Geez I&#039;m so angry I have no idea how to find it :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my&#8230;.I have GOT to find that Creflo Dollar video footage&#8230;like I said, I stumbled upon it but he talks EXACTLY of what Harriet and Danielle are speaking of. Geez I&#8217;m so angry I have no idea how to find it <img src='http://blackandmarriedwithkids.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I just read Luke 14:20, and I see where the teacher was coming from.  He or she was probably using that scripture to outline the fact, like you said, Danielle, that being a WOMAN and being a WIFE are two totally different things.

Take, for example, someone like Jezebel:  uncompromising, manipulative, conniving and all things opposite Christ.  Then take a person like Ruth, who was humble, courageous, bold and willing to go through transition.  One married a king and was killed.  The other married a Boaz and created a line of kings, from David all the way to Jesus.

The largest difference was in their attitudes towards their husbands (or fiances).  Jezebal lied to get what she wanted, and surrounded herself with people who would tell her she was doing right all the time, when clearly she was doing wrong.  Ruth, on the other hand, listened to wise counsel, kept doing what she&#039;d always done, and had the attitude of a wife prior to getting married.

So I agree with Danielle...every woman getting married these days isn&#039;t a WIFE.  There will be women who build their houses up with one hand and tear them down with the other.  There will be adulterers, and manipulative, prideful heifers.  LOL  But clearly the choice lies within the woman.  Will you become a woman after God&#039;s own heart, thus causing the heart of your husband to trust in you?  Or will you push that man to the corner of a rooftop, willing to do anything to get away from you?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Harriets last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://harriet-canshesaythat.blogspot.com/2009/07/aftermath_16.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aftermath&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I just read Luke 14:20, and I see where the teacher was coming from.  He or she was probably using that scripture to outline the fact, like you said, Danielle, that being a WOMAN and being a WIFE are two totally different things.</p>
<p>Take, for example, someone like Jezebel:  uncompromising, manipulative, conniving and all things opposite Christ.  Then take a person like Ruth, who was humble, courageous, bold and willing to go through transition.  One married a king and was killed.  The other married a Boaz and created a line of kings, from David all the way to Jesus.</p>
<p>The largest difference was in their attitudes towards their husbands (or fiances).  Jezebal lied to get what she wanted, and surrounded herself with people who would tell her she was doing right all the time, when clearly she was doing wrong.  Ruth, on the other hand, listened to wise counsel, kept doing what she&#8217;d always done, and had the attitude of a wife prior to getting married.</p>
<p>So I agree with Danielle&#8230;every woman getting married these days isn&#8217;t a WIFE.  There will be women who build their houses up with one hand and tear them down with the other.  There will be adulterers, and manipulative, prideful heifers.  LOL  But clearly the choice lies within the woman.  Will you become a woman after God&#8217;s own heart, thus causing the heart of your husband to trust in you?  Or will you push that man to the corner of a rooftop, willing to do anything to get away from you?</p>
<p><abbr><em>Harriets last blog post..<a href="http://harriet-canshesaythat.blogspot.com/2009/07/aftermath_16.html" rel="nofollow">Aftermath</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Harriet

Thanks for clarifying the scriptures....

But just to clarify, my point is just this: a good wife has the virtuous characteristics before marriage and marriage alone does not make one a wife. Yes, she need to be married to a man to demonstrate this, but the character traits and virtuosity should be present before..

Anybody can get married, but that doesn&#039;t make them a &#039;wife&#039; according to Proverbs 18:22. Every wife in 2009 isn&#039;t a good thing....She may have the title, but may not be acting as a Godly &#039;wife&#039; according to the scriptures. 

That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying....

But again, I comment on this board because I love discussion and learning....

And for this reason, I look forward to your response.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Danielles last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://itssonicetobenice.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/reality-tv-hates-women/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reality TV Hates Women&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Harriet</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying the scriptures&#8230;.</p>
<p>But just to clarify, my point is just this: a good wife has the virtuous characteristics before marriage and marriage alone does not make one a wife. Yes, she need to be married to a man to demonstrate this, but the character traits and virtuosity should be present before..</p>
<p>Anybody can get married, but that doesn&#8217;t make them a &#8216;wife&#8217; according to Proverbs 18:22. Every wife in 2009 isn&#8217;t a good thing&#8230;.She may have the title, but may not be acting as a Godly &#8216;wife&#8217; according to the scriptures. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying&#8230;.</p>
<p>But again, I comment on this board because I love discussion and learning&#8230;.</p>
<p>And for this reason, I look forward to your response.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Danielles last blog post..<a href="http://itssonicetobenice.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/reality-tv-hates-women/" rel="nofollow">Reality TV Hates Women</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, WOW.  I leave for a few minutes to actually do my job, and this is what I come back to?!?  LOL  I promise I&#039;ll get back with y&#039;all in about an hour.  I have to go pick my son up from school.

But just to clarify:  Proverbs 18:22 states that &quot;he that finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord.  Proverbs 31:10-31 is a description of the characteristics of a good wife relayed from a mother to a son (Prince Lemuel).  

i&#039;ve never heard the Luke 14:20 assertion...I&#039;ma have to get in my prayer closet for that one.  LOL  I&#039;m just not clear about what the teacher was trying to say.

But I&#039;ll be back in about an hour!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Harriets last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://harriet-canshesaythat.blogspot.com/2009/07/aftermath_16.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aftermath&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, WOW.  I leave for a few minutes to actually do my job, and this is what I come back to?!?  LOL  I promise I&#8217;ll get back with y&#8217;all in about an hour.  I have to go pick my son up from school.</p>
<p>But just to clarify:  Proverbs 18:22 states that &#8220;he that finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord.  Proverbs 31:10-31 is a description of the characteristics of a good wife relayed from a mother to a son (Prince Lemuel).  </p>
<p>i&#8217;ve never heard the Luke 14:20 assertion&#8230;I&#8217;ma have to get in my prayer closet for that one.  LOL  I&#8217;m just not clear about what the teacher was trying to say.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll be back in about an hour!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Harriets last blog post..<a href="http://harriet-canshesaythat.blogspot.com/2009/07/aftermath_16.html" rel="nofollow">Aftermath</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Jonesi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Danielle - ok I see now it&#039;s just a matter of perception. *I gotcha*. I took it as he who (does eventually) find a wife (a distinguished title in and of itself)...but you make a good point...why not say a woman? But it&#039;s an interesing identifier....a bold matter syntax and interesing semantics! Hmmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Danielle &#8211; ok I see now it&#8217;s just a matter of perception. *I gotcha*. I took it as he who (does eventually) find a wife (a distinguished title in and of itself)&#8230;but you make a good point&#8230;why not say a woman? But it&#8217;s an interesing identifier&#8230;.a bold matter syntax and interesing semantics! Hmmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jonesi,

I didn&#039;t say I was a scholar! Lol!!

I was merely sharing what I&#039;ve been taught.......the questions you pose are certainly valid. 

Now, in regards to Proverbs 31, how can one find something if it already belongs to you? 

Idk...., but, I can&#039;t wait to hear what others have to say on this one.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Danielles last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://itssonicetobenice.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/reality-tv-hates-women/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reality TV Hates Women&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jonesi,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say I was a scholar! Lol!!</p>
<p>I was merely sharing what I&#8217;ve been taught&#8230;&#8230;.the questions you pose are certainly valid. </p>
<p>Now, in regards to Proverbs 31, how can one find something if it already belongs to you? </p>
<p>Idk&#8230;., but, I can&#8217;t wait to hear what others have to say on this one.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Danielles last blog post..<a href="http://itssonicetobenice.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/reality-tv-hates-women/" rel="nofollow">Reality TV Hates Women</a></em></abbr></p>
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