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		<title>By: Interviews and Articles :: African American Marriage Counseling Site</title>
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		<title>By: nona</title>
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		<dc:creator>nona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Thuso.  My uncle used a similiar phrase.  Marriage is an investment.  I believe in building together.  I&#039;ve been married for 10 years.  Before we were married, we talked about how we pictured an ideal family to be and discussed finances and children, everything.  And still do.  We may not agree on everything, but we accept the others opinion.  We have had our share of problems, but have always worked through them and don&#039;t look back on it.  It pays to have positive married couples in your life - you know people who actually want to be to grow older together &#039;til death do you part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Thuso.  My uncle used a similiar phrase.  Marriage is an investment.  I believe in building together.  I&#8217;ve been married for 10 years.  Before we were married, we talked about how we pictured an ideal family to be and discussed finances and children, everything.  And still do.  We may not agree on everything, but we accept the others opinion.  We have had our share of problems, but have always worked through them and don&#8217;t look back on it.  It pays to have positive married couples in your life &#8211; you know people who actually want to be to grow older together &#8217;til death do you part.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonyMiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonyMiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read the title of this post it made me tear up immediately.I&#039;ve really been struggling with my trust issues and my daddy issues and it hasn&#039;t been easy. They say your father is your first boyfriend and how he treats you will affect how you perceive your future boyfriend/husband and how you treat (and thus how you are treated by) men. Well, my father broke my heart multiple times and about two years ago he just tore it apart when he told me he didn&#039;t want me in his life anymore. When it happened, I was in denial. I said I didn&#039;t care...but I did. And it showed in how I acted with men. It always showed but I never realized. I used to not even be able to talk to black males. If one came around I would just shut down emotionally. And if I did somehow think they were ok enough to be friends with, the moment they showed any sign of interest, I was out. I stopped talking to basically all of my black male guy friends and I didn&#039;t know why. I convinced myself it just &quot;happened&quot; but I drove them away because I was scared. I&#039;m still scared but I&#039;ve gotten SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better. I&#039;m more open now and I&#039;m healing.

I&#039;m not so sad about my situation. I know one day I&#039;ll be able to love freely and not fear so much. But I am sad because now that i&#039;m aware of my &quot;problem&quot; I&#039;ve now also become painfully aware that so many black men and women share my story in some way. Something has lead them to fear love and to be mistrustful of others and that&#039;s just sad. I feel like we all want to love each other.... I know I do.... but we just...can&#039;t. It&#039;s not even that we&#039;re scared... some of us just don&#039;t know how to accept love and some don&#039;t know how to love others.... I&#039;m 18 and so many of my peers say they&#039;re never getting married and they don&#039;t believe in love and it just makes me so sad.... when I hear that I just think that they have lost all hope. In the Bible its pretty clear that God is love and I just wonder if people stopped believing in love does that mean they stopped believing in God too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read the title of this post it made me tear up immediately.I&#8217;ve really been struggling with my trust issues and my daddy issues and it hasn&#8217;t been easy. They say your father is your first boyfriend and how he treats you will affect how you perceive your future boyfriend/husband and how you treat (and thus how you are treated by) men. Well, my father broke my heart multiple times and about two years ago he just tore it apart when he told me he didn&#8217;t want me in his life anymore. When it happened, I was in denial. I said I didn&#8217;t care&#8230;but I did. And it showed in how I acted with men. It always showed but I never realized. I used to not even be able to talk to black males. If one came around I would just shut down emotionally. And if I did somehow think they were ok enough to be friends with, the moment they showed any sign of interest, I was out. I stopped talking to basically all of my black male guy friends and I didn&#8217;t know why. I convinced myself it just &#8220;happened&#8221; but I drove them away because I was scared. I&#8217;m still scared but I&#8217;ve gotten SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better. I&#8217;m more open now and I&#8217;m healing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sad about my situation. I know one day I&#8217;ll be able to love freely and not fear so much. But I am sad because now that i&#8217;m aware of my &#8220;problem&#8221; I&#8217;ve now also become painfully aware that so many black men and women share my story in some way. Something has lead them to fear love and to be mistrustful of others and that&#8217;s just sad. I feel like we all want to love each other&#8230;. I know I do&#8230;. but we just&#8230;can&#8217;t. It&#8217;s not even that we&#8217;re scared&#8230; some of us just don&#8217;t know how to accept love and some don&#8217;t know how to love others&#8230;. I&#8217;m 18 and so many of my peers say they&#8217;re never getting married and they don&#8217;t believe in love and it just makes me so sad&#8230;. when I hear that I just think that they have lost all hope. In the Bible its pretty clear that God is love and I just wonder if people stopped believing in love does that mean they stopped believing in God too?</p>
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		<title>By: Thuso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am becoming more and more aware of the &quot;Civil War&quot; that is going on arond us (me and my wife and family).  I ahve always been awae that married couples have problems -- we certainly have worked through our share in 43 years of marriage.  What astounds me is the casualty rate.

Of my 3 siblings, I am the only one still married to the first wife or husband.  Interestingly, most of our friends are people with long term marriages.  Perhaps that is why we haven&#039;t seen the extent of the devastation to the Black family outside of our circles.

What is so revealing is that the widespread devastation has shifted the dialog to &quot;healing strategies&quot; away from &quot;building strategies.&quot;  The advice we received as a young couple about how to build a strong family didn&#039;t begin with how to heal from pain and hurt and infidelity.  It began with trust and support and love and commitment.

While I certainly appreciate the reference to &quot;survivors&quot; and &quot;perpetrators,&quot; it is frightening to me that the dominant conversation treats the mass of us as if we must recover from something before we can have a chance of a successful relationship.  Working on bliss and joy and happiness and mutual esteem seem to be far off in the distance.  I heard a marriage counselor say to a group recently that &quot;we are all in recovery or denial.&quot;  My wife and I looked at each with the same thought, &quot;What are we missing?  Is there something you aren&#039;t telling me? Are we blissfully ignorant, or genuinely happy?&quot;

Of course we were married young -- at age 20.  Maybe in today&#039;s society hwere marriage is put off or avoided for so long, each party arrives at the decision with a lot of baggage.  

Whatever the case, I just want to put in a plug for those with doubt.  It is possible to grow old together and become happier with each passing year.  The woman I am married to after 43 years is not the girl I married at age 20.  We have both &quot;invested all we have&quot; in helping each other to become the best at what we wanted individually.  

I am overjoyed at how the invest has payed off.  She is not the person I wanted her to be, as I foolishly compared her to others early in our mariage.  She is the fully developed person that my heart knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.  The result of her investment in me is an older, wiser, confident, and secure man who know he has the total and full support of his wife for life.

We need to paint more pictures of this reality for those with trepidations about calling a truce in the Civil War, and changing our approach from a negotiated settlement to an &quot;all-in investement.&quot;  

Yes, we must be forgiving and repentant.  And then move on to building a relationship that will withstand the storms of life.  Most importantly, we need to demonstrate &quot;stable role models&quot; for our children.  Perhaps many children approaching adulthood today decide against marriage based on what they have witnessed.  If all they see is &quot;survivors and perpetrators&quot; they are not encouraged to invest in happiness, but rather invest in protection against pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am becoming more and more aware of the &#8220;Civil War&#8221; that is going on arond us (me and my wife and family).  I ahve always been awae that married couples have problems &#8212; we certainly have worked through our share in 43 years of marriage.  What astounds me is the casualty rate.</p>
<p>Of my 3 siblings, I am the only one still married to the first wife or husband.  Interestingly, most of our friends are people with long term marriages.  Perhaps that is why we haven&#8217;t seen the extent of the devastation to the Black family outside of our circles.</p>
<p>What is so revealing is that the widespread devastation has shifted the dialog to &#8220;healing strategies&#8221; away from &#8220;building strategies.&#8221;  The advice we received as a young couple about how to build a strong family didn&#8217;t begin with how to heal from pain and hurt and infidelity.  It began with trust and support and love and commitment.</p>
<p>While I certainly appreciate the reference to &#8220;survivors&#8221; and &#8220;perpetrators,&#8221; it is frightening to me that the dominant conversation treats the mass of us as if we must recover from something before we can have a chance of a successful relationship.  Working on bliss and joy and happiness and mutual esteem seem to be far off in the distance.  I heard a marriage counselor say to a group recently that &#8220;we are all in recovery or denial.&#8221;  My wife and I looked at each with the same thought, &#8220;What are we missing?  Is there something you aren&#8217;t telling me? Are we blissfully ignorant, or genuinely happy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course we were married young &#8212; at age 20.  Maybe in today&#8217;s society hwere marriage is put off or avoided for so long, each party arrives at the decision with a lot of baggage.  </p>
<p>Whatever the case, I just want to put in a plug for those with doubt.  It is possible to grow old together and become happier with each passing year.  The woman I am married to after 43 years is not the girl I married at age 20.  We have both &#8220;invested all we have&#8221; in helping each other to become the best at what we wanted individually.  </p>
<p>I am overjoyed at how the invest has payed off.  She is not the person I wanted her to be, as I foolishly compared her to others early in our mariage.  She is the fully developed person that my heart knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.  The result of her investment in me is an older, wiser, confident, and secure man who know he has the total and full support of his wife for life.</p>
<p>We need to paint more pictures of this reality for those with trepidations about calling a truce in the Civil War, and changing our approach from a negotiated settlement to an &#8220;all-in investement.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Yes, we must be forgiving and repentant.  And then move on to building a relationship that will withstand the storms of life.  Most importantly, we need to demonstrate &#8220;stable role models&#8221; for our children.  Perhaps many children approaching adulthood today decide against marriage based on what they have witnessed.  If all they see is &#8220;survivors and perpetrators&#8221; they are not encouraged to invest in happiness, but rather invest in protection against pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To respond to your ink blot question, I laughed at myself when I looked at the picture.  Initially when I saw it, I didn&#039;t think ANYONE had been hurt.  LOL

The man has a serious look on his face.  The woman is covering her mouth, which is what I typically do when I&#039;m concentrating or doting on a deed well done by another.

I thought the two of them had just completed a kind of &quot;where do we go from here?&quot; type of discussion, that the woman was content at that point to follow a man whose focus had shifted from just himself to the future of his family/marriage.  Her look was a look of relief and gratefulness.  

Crazy, huh?  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To respond to your ink blot question, I laughed at myself when I looked at the picture.  Initially when I saw it, I didn&#8217;t think ANYONE had been hurt.  LOL</p>
<p>The man has a serious look on his face.  The woman is covering her mouth, which is what I typically do when I&#8217;m concentrating or doting on a deed well done by another.</p>
<p>I thought the two of them had just completed a kind of &#8220;where do we go from here?&#8221; type of discussion, that the woman was content at that point to follow a man whose focus had shifted from just himself to the future of his family/marriage.  Her look was a look of relief and gratefulness.  </p>
<p>Crazy, huh?  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Lyken-Garner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Lyken-Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree with you on this one. I especially liked the factor of &#039;responsibility&#039; you mentioned. If we all go about our lives thinking that we can get away with disloyal behaviour just because (fill in the blanks) no one is ever going to heal.

Taking these steps is a vital action towards helping, especially our boys, to become better husbands and dedicated fathers when they get older. If it will take a generation, what better time to start than now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree with you on this one. I especially liked the factor of &#8216;responsibility&#8217; you mentioned. If we all go about our lives thinking that we can get away with disloyal behaviour just because (fill in the blanks) no one is ever going to heal.</p>
<p>Taking these steps is a vital action towards helping, especially our boys, to become better husbands and dedicated fathers when they get older. If it will take a generation, what better time to start than now?</p>
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