Marriage Counseling…for One?

by Tara Pringle Jefferson

I consider my marriage a strong one. We generally get along, we love each other, we rarely argue, we go on dates when we can. 80% of the time, we’re like Will and Jada (or Lamar and Ronnie…LOL!).

But then there are the weeks where he’s working late, our sex life fizzles, a bill is past due or something else happens to throw off our delicate dance and we’re cranky and our communication is poor. It takes a couple days (or weeks) to get it back to running smoothly.

Normal, right? My husband seems to think so. But I spend so much time writing and researching relationship topics, reading self-help books, evaluating our marriage, that I think things could be better.

I told him I would like to go to marriage counseling. Not because anything is necessarily wrong, but to reflect on our “opportunities for growth,” as an employer would say. I would like to strengthen our communication, and increase our daily intimacy.

As you can probably guess from the simple fact that I’m writing this article, he doesn’t necessarily want to go. If he does go, it’ll be grudgingly, and I don’t really see the point in that.

What do you do when one person wants to go to counseling and the other doesn’t? Is it fair to “force” someone to go? Can you get as much accomplished with just one person participating? My fear is that you can’t.

I’m already taking individual therapy sessions as a way to work on me and what I bring to the relationship. I tried to use the car analog that I think Lamar used on the site. Would you drive a car for 10 years without getting the oil changed or tires rotated? No – a car needs regular maintenance to keep it running smoothly and to protect the value. I see our marriage in the same way.

BMWK family, have you even found yourself in this situation – one person wants counseling and the other doesn’t? How did you resolve it?

Tara Pringle Jefferson is a freelance writer and blogger living in Ohio with her husband and two children. Visit her blog, www.theyoungmommylife.com, to read more of her observations about life, motherhood and love.


About the author

Lamar and Ronnie Tyler are the creators of the award-winning blog BlackandMarriedWithKids.com . They also are behind the Amazon.com bestselling DVDs Happily Ever After: A Positive Image of Black Marriage, You Saved Me and Men Ain’t Boys that explores manhood in the African American community. The Tylers are also the proud parents of four children.



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  1. Da Minister Monday - 19 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    We must first recognize there has been and always will be a difference in opinion between two people. Also I must say from a male's point of view we have a one track mind. But the good thing about that is we can focus on problems one at a time. I said that to say this is take in consideration that the marriage may not be that bad off. Through all dates, phones calls, family dinners, alone married people time, etc that maybe that's when the "oil is being changed" or the "tires being rotated," or any other maintenance work is being done. Sometime we as people over analyzed that problems are evident when "the Devil" wants us to get misfocus on what is/needs to go on. One thing I can say is in this day and age if a man of "color" is married, at home, working (legally), and faithful to his family and especially faithful to God its abnormal! Think for minute does he sleep in the bed with you everytime that it presents itself? Does he love his children and spends time with them when the opportunity presents itself? Does he honor and fear God with his entire life depends on it? If one can answer yes to any and all of the questions then I think the next thing is to hire a babysitter, make hotel reservations, & drink a red bull & 5 hour energy power so ya'll can have a "very long night." Within the last 5 years the only people that has being trying to get married and stay married is homosexuals. Especially with heterosexuals minority marriages he the husband says or even shows his love for you that's reason to thank God alone. Don't force the issue about counseling it can only make things worst...but I will suggest this through all the reading and personal counseling you are receiving put the advice/suggestion into actions. 1 Peter 3 states that a woman by her lifestyle can lead her husband to Christ. If a woman by her lifestyle can lead her husband to Christ, surely she can enhanced their marriage. Love God He is the ultimate & best Marriage Counselor of them all!
    • Tara Pringle Jefferson Monday - 19 / 07 / 2010 Reply
      @Da Minister - So do you think marriage counseling is a waste of time for a "happy couple"?
      • Da Minister Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
        @ Tara

        I would like to change the response to answer your question...I don't think counseling "makes" a happy couple. I believe the little things that we don't realize is overlooked. Bishop T.D. Jakes explains the problems in marriages is the "80-20 rule." He states we only see the 20% our spouses are doing wrong but never see the 80% they are doing right. For instance my wife is not the best cook but instead of gripping about her cooking at least she loves me enough to make me "questionable" food. But there are others husbands that can't get their wives to make the water. If we really think about that we should be happy that our marriages or spouses is not like that. We can sometimes push an issue so much that we"push" our spouses away. Be mindful that a mole hill doesn't become a mountain...
        • Tara Pringle Jefferson Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
          @Da Minister - I don't think we're too far off in what we're saying. I think he's a wonderful man and he's been a great father to our kids. For the most part, our marriage is strong. I appreciate all those little things he does and try my best not to take him for granted.

          But as I stated in the article, I want to improve our communication. I don't think communication is a little thing in a relationship - in fact, much of our happiness hinges on whether we can communicate what we need from each other and respond in a way that delivers on those requests. Right now, we're stuck. Which is why I suggested counseling as a way to get us over the hump.

          I am not interested in having a "good enough" marriage. I didn't get married for it to be "good enough." I want a GREAT marriage. Is that unrealistic? Or do you stop pushing once you get to good enough?
          • Da Minister Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010
            Never would I say to not strive for greatness or perfection but what I would say is this sometimes OUR desires becomes our obsessions. Communication is definitely key is a successful marriage, but my concerns is forgetting what brought us to this point. For examples there was times before "everything" married couples went to the movies or walked the park holding hands. What I'm saying is relive those moments again & again & again. Send the kids off to Grandma's house or take a personal day from work. We don't make "room" for opportunities to communicate. No earthly counselor can make you do the suggested activities, but they have to be in the heart of the person. We all have gotten married and got caught up in the cycle of life (work, home, kids, dinner, bed & church on Sundays). What I'm saying is break away from the everyday cycles! Talk about stuff that doesn't need to be talked about like food and not just bills. Go to a museum together & not just to work separately. Open up the lines of communication! Don't watch TV but play a board game as teammates. Stop texting/emailing each other and pick up the phone. Look into each others eyes like it was yesterday and don't say nothing but....honey I love you. And maybe just maybe it is GREAT already to him because he is in love with the beautiful, loving, and wonderful woman on this earth...
  2. Jonesi Monday - 19 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    @Tara - YES, happy couples go to counseling if they see a need or benefit. There is power in being proactive. I am not ashamed to admit marriage has been very rough for me. I love my husband more than when I met and married him, but something just hasn't been clicking as I hoped in this short time. I struggled with whether marriage was a smart move for me; was it too soon, was I capable of being a good wife, did he deserve better...you name it, I felt it, cried about it and prayed over it. But I realized that my husband had a commitment to us that I hadn't yet aquired and I wanted to get to the root of why. Deep down I didn't want to walk away, especially so soon. But I was so overwhelmed with fear I couldn't cope on a daily basis. ANYWAY, 9mos months into our marriage and we are in marriage counseling. And I am SO glad I didn't give-up on my desire to get help inspite of his lackluster willingness to join me. We've completed two sessions thus far and to hear my husband positively refer to our experience thus far empowers me to remain affirmative about tools and resources I feel we should pursue to enhance our relationship.

    Black people, especially men, have this unfortunate hang-up about counseling that really is sad because it's such a valueable outlet to deal with issues productively. For me, I wanted to learn to communicate with him via a mediator to teach us to really process what the other is saying. It's been roughly two weeks and I know for a fact this is the best decision I've made as a wife thus far. Some ppl might think it's crazy after only 9 months, but why let a good thing turn bad only to work overtime to try to make it great....when I can salvage our good times now and reach our full relational potential even earlier. If you believe in it, there's no good explanation for the other partner not to atleast TRY it.
    • Tara Pringle Jefferson Monday - 19 / 07 / 2010 Reply
      @Jonesi - My husband is a man of few words and communicating with him has always been difficult for me. I feel like I need to pry his mouth open sometimes! I know men are usually less talkative than women, but my husband is truly a quiet guy. So when we have disagreements or issues that arise, it's difficult to really get to the bottom of the issue because of his one or two sentence answers. I think counseling can help him open up and help me learn that what he's saying really is enough. Or something like that. LOL


      I do think marriage counseling can be valuable for everyone, but my husband's hangup is talking to someone other than me about problems in our marriage. He's not feeling it. I admit - it's not necessarily the most natural thing in the world for us. But I do think that someone with an objective set of eyes can help us see things we might improve and give us tips on how to get there.

      I'm happy to hear that marriage counseling is working for you and your husband!
      • Jonesi Monday - 19 / 07 / 2010 Reply
        Your husband gives you two sentences!?! I would love that sometimes lol. No but seriously, I swear my husband and I couldn't be any more polar opposite, but as long as the major things we have in common is love for God, each other and respect, I now feel confident we can tackle this union as truly one forever :-) I didn't feel that way 100% last month and not only did it hurt, I felt guilty.

        When I first went to him about counseling, a major turn-off was his nonchalant reaction and lack of enthusiasm. I was offended, like how can you not take something that can help us seriously AND be happy about it??! I was pissed and like welp maybe "we" aren't a priority then" and wasn't sure we had what it took to be consistently happy...hey cut me some slack, I'm a dramtic newbie lol. But, in just a few sessions, I've learned that HE actually feels better by letting stuff out/talking. I sat there one day surprised he had so much to say. But I recognized the difference was HE had the floor...he didn't have to fear my endless interruptions and biligerent responses if he said what I deemed mean or hurtful. He was "protected (meaning, our therapist is there to maintain conversational order and help us stay on track) and that's something I hope to learn to do on our own.

        Did that make sense?
  3. The_A Monday - 19 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    At the risk of having my certifications & degrees pulled have you considered if Great is the Enemy of Good Enough?

    If you are at 80% in a strong marriage, what does 83% or 86% or 97% look like? You say 80% he may think you are at 99.9% Are these improvements on the list of "nice to haves" or "need to haves". Have you compared your visions of great communication? Do your lists read like his lists?

    Ok, so not to discourage anyone from continuing to grow and strengthen a relationship, maybe its not that he doesn't see any opportunities to improve but he doesn't agree on how to approach them. Maybe it's the formality of sitting in an office being counseled that is an issue. Have you considered a married couple's retreat or using date night in creative ways?

    I agree with Da Minister- go have some fun with this. Empower yourselves to be your own marriage counselors. What about another 30 Day Challenge. Maybe the next 30 days can be about communication and sex- okay mostly sex. After all, didn't the 30day challenge show that communication gets better when you are having sex?
    • Tara Monday - 19 / 07 / 2010 Reply
      @The_A - I want to go to counseling because I do not feel like I can have open, honest communication with him about the state of our marriage. No, we have not compared lists on how we communicate - I can't even get that far with him!

      If I can be frank, I don't think sex is the answer. I want to be able to TALK to him. We've been having sex and two kids later, ain't nothing changed but the birth control. LOL
      • KikoeF Monday - 19 / 07 / 2010 Reply
        my experience with a quiet man: trying to change him is like trying to change a tire with ABSOLUTELY no experience in the matter. Basically, you CAN'T because you don't have experience and never will. No human being has the ability to change another human being. We women have a tendency to want to mold and meld a man to our desires/wants. If you say that you are 80% in a good marriage, you're not 80% in a good marriage, you are in a GOOD marriage. Nothing is perfect.

        i understand communication is important. it's important to me in my marriage. BUT, his level of communication could be non-verbal. Still waters run deep and all that jazz. This is something i recently learned about my quiet husband. we've just celebrated 6 years and it's still hard. it's a bit better but we had a MAJOR issue to get it to where it is now<--i don't suggest anyone venturing there. truthfully, if the man is giving you most of what you need, you need to find a way to get the other portions of what you need in a different way/from a different channel. as long as it's legal and righteous, of course...

        one other note, he and i have been to counseling more times than i can number - different counselors too. some insights followed, a bit of understanding developed but all-in-all, it was a waste of $ and time. Christ-following Christian life is the best answer to your issues. daily devotionals and couples prayer sessions.

        and i wouldn't suggest going to a counselor alone to discuss relationship issues. naturally, the counselor will only counsel one side of the issue. that's never a good thing because you will end up with a lopsided "professional" opinion.
    • values Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
      I can appreciate empowerment, but sometimes a third party can provide some direction that the two in the union may benefit from. If self empowerment does not work, I can see the benefit of exploring other resources that may then facilitate empowerment in the union.
  4. Da Minister Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    @ The_A

    I want to 1st the The_A for the support and understanding and would like to add a few more comments.

    @Tara

    Once before he white dress, the ring, the vows, the cake, the flower girl, etc there was 2 words that was actions words that we strayed away from after "I DO!" The 2 words are: Intimacy & Romance! Now before I get misunderstood let me explain...intimacy when define means to be close and not necessary sex (sorry fellows...lol)! Here is what most married couples forget and I know we have jobs and children and bills and friends, but there was a time way back yonder when we were dating that we desired to be close to one another. Whether it be on the phone or out for dinner and for some of us B.C. (Before Christ...lol) the club and whatever else we longed to hang with each other. We would look at the clock and count down the seconds and wouldn't touch overtime or ignore a call when we were with them or disappear into the night just to see them. Which INTIMACY led to ROMANCE! Nobody had to tell us how or when to be together, WE knew how to come together. My wife & I before we were married would sit at each others job for hours and talked. Mind you at worked in retail and she worked at a check cashing place. Before, during, and after our shifts we turned our attention towards each other. To add insult to injury we got mad when at each other when we had to do some work...lol! I'm saying recall those days we as married people have lost INTIMACY and ROMANCE! How? I do not know...
  5. Lamar Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    Tara do you or more specifically do yall. Don't feel like it isn't right to want the best for your marriage and I mean the absolute best not close, almost there, or maybe good enough. What is a litte thing now can become a larger thing later. From what I've directly seen from couples is that some form of marriage education can arm you with the tools to take your relationship to the next level. The issue isn't that he doesn't talk and you need to change him it's more that you both need to understand and meet the needs of each other in this area.

    I think someone above mentioned it but perhaps you should try to get him to a different setting, i.e. a marriage education class like Basic Training For Couples, a retreat or rent a communication DVD and watch it together etc... where you both can get some new tools to add to the toolbox but may be easier the first time out than sitting with a counselor or psychologist.
  6. TheMrs Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    I have been on this site for a couple of months now and these past 2 weeks it seems like every post is right on what we are going through now.
    We have tried counseling in the past, the first time was probably about 8 yrs ago and I made the suggestion and he went along with it. We went for about 4-5 mths 1x a week and then changed to 2x a month because of scheduling conflicts with our kids for another 4-5 mths. He wasn't sold on the idea of counseling but was willing to do it because I wanted to do it, where did that get us...he felt that the counselor was telling him he was right!!! Fast forward to this past year and we have ventured back to counseling, this time I suggested and it was received better...he looked forward to it. We fell off because of our family obligations but are trying to get back in and we started talking to our pastor as well.
    Something that I thought just a few days ago and my pastor actually said to me yesterday(never told him my thought) was that even if your partner isn't willing to go to counseling or use another means of building(self-help books) it doesn't hurt to do it yourself and build on your own issues...this too can strengthen your relationship!!! Once your partner sees you changing/growing it will cause a reaction.
  7. values Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    I think of marriage counseling as a prevention or an intervention. My current partner have already discussed the value of marriage counseling and continuing with counseling into our marriage as a type of "booster" (a biweekly or monthly vitamin of sorts).
    However, I have been in a situation where another previous partner did not want to go until the issues became serious. I wish we had both decided to go sooner. In hindsight, I can now see the value of starting as an individual if your partner isn't ready...even though a marriage is a union, there is always work that individuals can do. This may demonstrate that the one pushing for it is serious and can be a motivator for the other.
  8. busybodyk Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    My husband and I did pre-marital counseling and he was all for it. He even recommended that we do an annual check up with a counselor. I'm very thankful for that.

    The way I look at it, if your husband isn't crazy about going to counseling but will go begrudgingly then you should go. Don't wait for him to be excited about it. Its like waiting for him to be excited about doing the dishes. Its not going to happen but the dishes will get done.
  9. busybodyk Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    Also, I commend you for going to counseling alone. Improving yourself is a good way to work on your marriage too.
  10. Aja Dorsey Jackson Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    I think that going on your own is a great idea if he is not open to it. At the very least you should be able to find out some better methods of communicating with him. I wouldn't push the issue with him though. He may never be excited about it, but if he doesn't at least see some benefit in going it could probably result in more frustration for you if he then is not receptive to what the counselor says and doesn't want to follow through with the counselor's advice. Keep working on you and if your husband is anything like mine if you leave him alone long enough he may just come around.
  11. mochazina Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    Tara, excuse my directness, but you seem frustrated and a bit obsessed. I was there once - wanting communication to happen a certain way and if it didn't, OMG there was hell to pay the captain! But over the years, I've learned to chill and allow him to communicate on his own terms and in his own time. I learned to sit back and watch his patterns and figure out what he was saying when he wasn't saying anything. None of this happens outside of serious selfless prayer - praying for communication for the sake of the development of the relationship, not just so that I felt satisfied with the fact of his talking to me. Sometimes I wanted answers to things he didn't have answers to and in pushing him to give me something, I pushed him past a Godly place in his mind. You see, I'm an Engineer that was born of 2 Lawyers... discourse - extended, exhaustive, explanatory, analytical discourse was a way of life for me growing up. He grew up in a family of "don't ask, don't tell." He felt that I was smothering him and being super judgmental when he did speak, so I had to learn to listen and listen quietly.

    BMWK!!! I can't comment via mobile anymore on this site... :(
    • Tara Pringle Jefferson Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
      @Mochazina - Hmm....frustrated, yes. Obsessed...maybe. LOL. I guess this is what happens when you open your relationship up for discussion on a popular site. Harriet, you can have this one back! I see why Beyonce and Jay-Z keep it hush-hush.

      I've tried the whole "let him communicate how he wants to communicate" angle. Believe me, counseling is not the first step I've suggested to improve our communication. We've been together for six years now - it's been an ongoing process of figuring out what works and what doesn't in terms of communication. I won't give up on this (which is maybe why I seem obssessed to others) because I think good communication is the basis of all healthy relationships. Ours, I think, is sub-par.

      Annnnnnd, I'm done. :)
      • The_A Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
        I just read your response to my earlier comment and was preparing to clarify my statements that seem to have been misunderstood.

        Respecting your right to be done with this thread, I'll wish you all the very best in manifesting the results you want for yourself and your relationship with your husband and let it rest.

        Peace & Love
        • Tara Pringle Jefferson Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
          Don't leave! Shoot, your comment gave me inspiration for next week's post! I can always appreciate that!

          I admit, I was getting frustrated because having a boink-fest (as my younger sister would say) just didn't seem like it would help get to the heart of the matter. If you'd still like to clarify your statements, I would honestly love to hear more. You've got me thinking! :)
          • The_A Thursday - 22 / 07 / 2010
            Oh trust when I say, you are admired for being so open with your personal experiences. Thank you for your honesty and authenticity.

            I'm not gone and I'm thrilled to know that you found inspiration in my comment. Looking forward to your post.

            My points of clarification came down to developing a shared vision of communication with your husband. It sounds like you two have the classic gender differences with communication. Men -in general- are fine with intimacy through proximity and women -in general- want to talk about feelings. The 30 day challenge was a great idea because it sets up an intention to spend a portion of each day doing something fun together. It also becomes a space in the day to create the intimacy and romance that Da Minister spoke about using your love languages.

            I'm still learning the personalities on this site so I incorrectly attributed that challenge idea to you. Oops!
          • Tara Pringle Jefferson Thursday - 22 / 07 / 2010
            @The_A - "Classic gender differences" is the understatement of the century. :) I'm still learning about those. As I shared with Lamar in another conversation we've had, I don't have much experience with men. I married the second guy I ever dated (and the first was in high school - does that even count?). So sometimes I feel like I'm still learning the lessons that everyone else learned while they were dating around and racking up exes. *sigh* I'm glad we're married, but sometimes this inexperience can be frustrating...
          • The_A Thursday - 22 / 07 / 2010
            I'm glad you are married too and the fantastic thing about that is you are living your journey not everyone else's. You don't need to be 'them' to be Tara at her best. Your experience and inexperience has perfectly prepared you for the challenges you face today. That is not to say that it doesn't get frustrating but that you've been molded to handle this situation brilliantly. And you have the benefit of a site like BMWK to give you wonderful ideas about how.

            For example, I read the BMWK blog post from Tiya about the 30 things she learned about her marriage. She included some of them in her post. When I read that I thought, wow she is really wise & he's a very lucky man. I wonder if he knows how luck he is and if Tiya is sharing that list with him on the regular.

            Afterwards, I started making a conscious effort to more frequently verbalize the things I notice and appreciate about the way Mr. Man demonstrates love for me. Sometimes in the moment, sometimes after the fact or just randomly whenever a thought comes to mind. The great thing is, these verbal acknowledgments of gratitude are always multiplying and I keep some favorites in heavy rotation. It literally changed my perspective on what Mr. Man brings to my life and how I feel about resolving our many (many) differences AND it made me want to do more to demonstrate my love for him.

            Then the craziest thing happened. Out of the blue, Mr. Man began verbalizing the things he noticed and appreciated about me. Now Tara, two of my favorite quotes are Ghandi's "Be the Change You Want to See in the World" and the street wisdom "Don't Talk About It, Be About It". My profession is in growth & development and I preach leadership by example on the daily. That said, Tara, I promise you could not have scooped me off the floor the first time it happened!

            Now Mr. Man & I are in this self generating cycle of mutually thanking each other for the little things and doing little things for each other. No discussion, no sessions, just actions. Mr Man has even noticed some things that I wasn't conscious that I was doing - I was just doing them. You have no idea how good that felt. We had a serious "difference of opinion" on Monday. In the midst of my anger, I was able to remind myself, then begin to remind him of the things we appreciated about each other. The atmosphere shifted and we were able to work out our differences together. Our many (many) differences are now being dwarfed by a multitude of gratitude!

            So now that it occurs to me, let me take this moment to thank Tiya for sharing such a brilliant idea.
          • PhoenixZeta Tuesday - 16 / 11 / 2010
            I know I'm late, but I am considering counseling myself, and have learned a lot through this discussion. However, I'd like to try some things out before starting and am interested in finding out more about the "30 things" Mrs. Tiya Cunningham-Sumter learned about her marriage. Could you please enlighten me with the name of the blog that list is located in or point me in the direction I could find that information?
      • Harriet Thursday - 29 / 07 / 2010 Reply
        How did I miss this comment? LOL

        Here's my thing with the whole counseling issue...it's what Lamar said. For real.

        Here's my thing with the whole communication issue...both Mr. Incredible and I are confident that every day, we learn something new about each other and the DNA of our marriage. We are teachable, and we find that sharing the hard lessons we've learned with others helps both us and them chip away at those huge elephants in the room that no one wants to talk about.

        That's where the transparency comes from...we try to give other marriages the "cheat sheet" so they don't have to learn lessons the hard way like we have. LOL
    • TDH Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
      @mochazina... Although seemingly condescending, I can appreciate your approach. However, I can't help but wonder... if you "learned to chill" where was the compromise?
      • mochazina Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
        TDH - he came around in time. as i learned to not push so hard for answers and replies to those "where are we in our relationship" questions, he learned that he needed to be up front with it and not just wait for me to ask about his feelings. we started out very young, so we not only had marital growth to tackle, but personal growth as well, and this was the hardest hurdle. pulling back from the questioning, and simply praying and relying on God prompting his heart to share those important things without my asking first was the hardest, yet most rewarding thing i've ever learned to do! basking in the glow of his freely offered sentiments has me happy and smiling from head to toe. :">

        i definitely don't intend to come across as condescending, but when i say i feel the frustration - it was like reading something i'd written years ago! lol i'm just throwing my experience out there, hoping that those (not just Tara) who are where i was will at least take notes. it took years of prayer, folks "prophesying" about what i needed to do, as well as intermittent "counseling" for me to learn to simply let him be. i had to learn a long hard way "how" to back up, because i was sooo scared that after it was all said and done, his silence meant that he was dissatisfied, when in actuality, it simply meant that he had nothing to say at the moment. when he had something to say, then i learned to really listen, not instantly evaluate what he said. i also had to learn that my dissatisfaction with his silence and my voicing it was actually causing more problems than solving them! often my over-analyzing the silence and pushing an imaginary negative connotation onto it caused more fear and panic about the possible failure of our marriage in my heart than was necessitated by reality. i'm proud of our progress and would luuuuv to see a similar breakthrough for Tara-nem as well. :D
        • Tara Pringle Jefferson Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
          @mochazina - I thank you for sharing your story and yes, it does sound a lot like mine. I guess my frustration is that whenever someone brings up counseling, in the black community, it's always met with "All you have to do is pray!" Well, why can't I do both?

          I just want someone to help us get to that place of understanding you and your husband currently enjoy. I'm not sure I currently have the patience to get to that place "by myself." Do you think seeing a counselor would have been a waste of time for you two?
          • mochazina Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010
            nope - we did some serious counseling in the beginning & over the years the various folks that spoke into our lives pretty much said the same thing to me - back up! lol but they often reiterated the same thing to him as well - ya'll are on the same team, so treat her like it. I like the idea of counseling because it gives insight into the "whys" of why we do what we do. prayer is good, and of course i recommend it as the first and best line of defense and offense, but counseling is a good supplement to help you gain practical tools to implement the revelations you gain through prayer. if you seriously feel the need for counseling don't fear going by yourself and learning the tools. i often would gain insight on things from solo excursions and bring them home to him in nuggets of "Oh! guess what i learned..." he was listening, even when he didn't acknowledge it. but just as i had to learn what i needed to do, God had to show him what he needed to do, and IIIIIIIIIIII had to *sigh*... trust God. *rolls eyes* LOL also, books & retreats are definitely good options! sometimes, one of us would buy a book & the other commandeer it at a later date. and i've always wanted to go on a couple's retreat, so if you can, definitely go for it! :D

            good luck & many blessings!
        • TDH Friday - 23 / 07 / 2010 Reply
          @mochazina… Thank you for sharing more of your journey and Tara thank you for putting your desire for growth out there. I can most definitely empathize with you Tara and agree with @mochazina… it takes lots of patience, time and a real willingness to turn the spotlight on yourself… you sound like your moving in the right direction.

          Our respective family’s don’t think highly of therapy/counseling either - a belief system that my husband shared, up until few years ago. Our paradigm shift came whilst at a dinner with several other couples, one of whom had the courage to share stories of their struggles and successes. And although we marveled at their candor and felt compelled to make some adjustments of our own. It wasn’t until just a couple of years later that we got our methods in synch. I adore my husband and his courage for being able to step outside of his norm and do something different… but that evolution didn’t happen overnight. Also, my husband and I just started reading Hill Harper’s new book, The Conversation, that appears to touch on some of the things addressed here. Good luck & god bless.
  12. Teasa Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    Counseling is great but if one does not apply what you have learned, then its a waste of time.
  13. Abc Tuesday - 20 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    I don't see the point of couples counselling..............until the indivual counselling happens first. I am learning so much about me and loving it.
  14. TDH Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    Good things never come to those who wait... My husband and I have been married for ten years and as with most marriages, our decline and/or dysfunction started off with little things… not unlike the author noted. Although I appreciate the sentiments of “Da Minister” and “The A," I don’t believe the majority of us have the tools/appropriate role modeling to fix ourselves - a fact that both my husband and I discovered during a weekend IMAGO workshop (talk about hard work). I know what I don’t know… and I knew that if I couldn’t impress the importance of taking our relationship to another level via outside help… we would be destined to end up like our parents (my selling point) i.e. separate but married... or just separate and alone. Yes, I dragged my husband to that workshop (after doing individual therapy myself) but today he will deny that fact. The truth is he probably got more out of it than I did and as a result of it we communicate better than we ever have, always fight fairly, almost never take each other for granted but more importantly we found out that we weren't lazy... we just didn't know how to do things in a way that worked for both of us. It’s hard work learning/implementing a different approach but we are both so grateful for the opportunity, I/we only wish we’d done it sooner.
  15. Shonda Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    Hey, this is just a suggestion. Try asking about some marriage conferences. Alot of churches offer them and I find them to be very very helpful. My next advice is to pray together. Make sure you include your marriage and what you think about your husband in your prayer. When I pray for my husband, I thank God for him and some of the things he do. I can hear the smile on my husband's face. Then, he knows he is appreciated and he is happy about that. So, that can open the doors up for discussions and other conversations once you are finished. Sometimes, the complaints are all they here. There is nothing wrong with blessing or praising your man, just as long as it is not more than God. Hope this helps. I have been married for 11 years and we are still very much in love and can easily communicate any issues, whether it is sex or just feeling uncomfortable about something. Communicate is the key to making any marriage work. So, keep your marriage issues lifted up in prayer at all times.
    • Tara Pringle Jefferson Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
      @Shonda - Thank you for the suggestion. I'll have to look into it. I admit, I wanted to do marriage counseling because I wanted that focused, one-on-one time for us to speak to each other. I love the sound of my husband's voice - it's like the energy that sustains me and when I don't hear it as much as I'd like...oh, it's like I'm missing a piece of me, if that makes sense. But maybe a marriage conference or couples' retreat is a good compromise...
      • Shonda Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
        It could also opens doors for him to actually feel comfortable about going to counseling. But, I do think it is a good idea for you to go by yourself first (counseling). Maybe, if he see that it has helped you, it will interest him. One more thing, I don't know if you have saw the movie, Fireproof. It is an awesome movie, even if you marriage is solid. My husband and I absolutely loved loved that movie. I would recommend it to any and all married couples. If you haven't watched it, go get it now. I bet your husbang will have a whole new look on that counseling idea. lol
        • TheMrs Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
          I am going out to purchase the book tomorrow!!! My husband and I have done the counseling route before and for the most part communicate pretty effectively but if we are in a disagreement...all bets are off. Someone suggested the Love Dare to us and our book came in the mail yesterday. Of course after I pressed "bill my account" I wanted the movie as well. You can find the whole set on amazon for a reasonable price(low to mid $20s).
  16. FirstladyShonda Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    We watched the movie together. You are definately going to love it. We are going to center our marriage conference around it. If I didn't take anything else from the movie, I took away never to leave my partner in the time of a fire. Because there is always going to be a fire in a marriage, whether it is bills, lack of communication, or sickness. It is awesome.
    • TheMrs Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
      @FirstladyShonda - this is actually going to be our date night movie this week!!! I started the dare and he has not, but I know that there will be improvements because of how I chose to handle the situations that arise.
  17. Cwm34 Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
    Good luck with the counseling but in my limited experience it turns out that as often as not it is the counselor who needs the counseling.
    • TheMrs Wednesday - 21 / 07 / 2010 Reply
      I find that you need to shop for counseling the same as you would shop for a bathing suit or shoes, try a couple on until you find what fits you best. I take references from others, a call to the insurance company to see who is covered in my area as well as searching the counseling centers website. We got lucky with our first counselor but now we can't find where she is practicing so I searched for someone new and yet again we got a good counselor. My husband and I need a counselor to help facilitate healthy communication(we are both long winded and go off on a tangent entirely too much to get anywhere at times) so he/she is there to keep us on track, add another spin to the situation, etc.

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